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4thVariety · Jul 10, 2009, 10:08 PM // 22:08

As I said earlier, they are not the same. They differ in more aspects than just the font color. People will get off on the fact that the yellow font has a 1:100.000 chance attached, while the purple is "only" 1:10.000 drops.

If you do not get it, then good for your, that's a lot of money saved right there. but most other people are conditioned differently.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

As I said earlier, they are not the same. They differ in more aspects than just the font color. People will get off on the fact that the yellow font has a 1:100.000 chance attached, while the purple is "only" 1:10.000 drops.

If you do not get it, then good for your, that's a lot of money saved right there. but most other people are conditioned differently.

So people get off on different coloured font having a low drop chance? Because other than that the two items would be exactly the same and you have a higher chance of getting the exact same skin if you take the purple versions into account aswell.

I find it amusing that it's all just about the font, lol.

I mean personally myself if the skins what I want I don't really care whether its purple or gold, because other than that it will still do what I want to do with it (assuming its for my own personal use of course).

Whatever rocks your boat I guess.

Tenebrae · Jul 10, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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In regards to rarity I don't see how a skin is so rare if there is a same skinned purple version that isn't uncommon to get hold of. Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common?

Skin =\= Rarity.
Colour has nothing to do with the weap skin. If that weap drops from a monster or a non-endsomething chest , it can drop in 4 colours :
White>Blue>Purple>Gold ( Common -> Rare )

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I mean if it's R7 or R8 then I can understand where rarity would make a difference, but if both are R9 then there is absolutely no difference. It's all literally based on the colour of the items font and nothing more.

You confuse % drop with the times that weapon drop. Its not the same :
- X monster dies : <random drop process to determine item dropped within that mob db drop > ( it happens when you load map but that doesnt matter here )
- Weapon X is gonna drop with Y suitable mods for that weap ( not in cantha and prop , R9 curses , 20% recharges Smitting prayers or WTH )
- <random drop process to determine rarity> :
A) White. No Y <random mod>
B) Blue . Y mods , almost shit . Sometimes insc , sometimes not
C) Purple . Y mods , almost perfect . Sometimes insc , sometimes not
D) Gold . Y mods perfect or 1% less than perf .

A>B>C>D . Common>Rare , between same % of THAT weapon to drop.

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That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all.

I also cant believe i actually had to explain this but thats real life dude. More Rarity = More price .
Inscriptions for example lowered price of some items that ONLY could be obtained in cantha or prophecies. But even now , rarity makes non insc 15^50 weaps to have more value than same colour and same req inscribable ones.

Is not hard to understand , no one is asking you to sell/buy something you dont want but prices are not based on opinion although it may seem so sometimes.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Skin =\= Rarity.

I guess that depends on if you care about an items rarity or not. Some people just prefer a nice skin and don't really care what colour the weapon is as long as it functions the same. I'm one of them.

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I also cant believe I actually had to explain this

No one asked you to, neither did I need it explaining. The discussion here is about the mentality of players towards gold and purple items.

Nanood · Jul 10, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I never buy weapons. But if I did I would buy a gold one cause the color is easier to read on the screen.

Tenebrae · Jul 10, 2009, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

I guess that depends on if you care about an items rarity or not. Some people just prefer a nice skin and don't really care what colour the weapon is as long as it functions the same. I'm one of them.

It has nothing to do with what i said , i was answering to this "Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common?" . Doesnt depend on "caring" or an "opinion" some skins are rare , others are not . Period.

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No one asked you to, neither did I need it explaining. The discussion here is about the mentality of players towards gold and purple items.

Well you seemed pretty clueless here "That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all." but ok , next time ill put 0 effort and answer with : "No" , "yes", "depends" .

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 10, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Purples are not worth the same as golds because purples drop more often. Regardless of sharing the same skin. Enough people bought into the vanity ideal of guildwars to the point that the colored text makes a difference as well. So gold, which many consider better looking will always be worth more than a purple sharing the same skin/req/stats/mods.

So your gold might be worth 100K but the purple version might only be worth 50k. Thats just the way it is. If you don't care about the colored text, nothing wrong with using purples or blues. But enough people do care that the market is affected by it.

Doesn't mean you can't still sell purples for a good price. I do all the time. 5k for a clean r9 purple is a good price.

PS: The "mentality" is "vanity" which is a driving point in guildwars spending. You can buy max armor in nightfall for cheap, yet people spend hundreds of thousands of gold on the same armor with a different look because "looking better" is important. Besides, thats all there is to spend money on. Better looking loot since its all the same in terms of functionality.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

It has nothing to do with what i said , i was answering to this "Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common?" . Doesnt depend on "caring" or an "opinion" some skins are rare , others are not . Period.

But now you're talking about skin+colour, not just the skin itself, where I'm just talking about the skin and the point being the colour "shouldn't" matter because it makes absolutely no difference if the skins and mods are "exactly" the same. This is about player mentality as I said before, and the best point made in this thread from another individual that is actually more related to what I'm getting at is this:

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this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good.

as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets)

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Well you seemed pretty clueless here "That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all." but ok , next time ill put 0 effort and answer with : "No" , "yes", "depends" .

Ok.

IronSheik · Jul 10, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Golds are rarer than purp

I will not pay same price for gold as purp

arcanemacabre · Jul 10, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

What is hard to understand about the rarity aspect? Yes, they are effectively the same in form and function, but that small difference (text color) is still a difference, and when one is more rare than the other, it will be worth more to those who will pay to have it.

Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same?

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 10, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

What is hard to understand about the rarity aspect? Yes, they are effectively the same in form and function, but that small difference (text color) is still a difference, and when one is more rare than the other, it will be worth more to those who will pay to have it.

Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same?

Thats a great example and your avatar picture freaks me out.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Purples are not worth the same as golds because purples drop more often. Regardless of sharing the same skin. Enough people bought into the vanity ideal of guildwars to the point that the colored text makes a difference as well. So gold, which many consider better looking will always be worth more than a purple sharing the same skin/req/stats/mods.

I already understand that golds are less common than purples, that's not the debate here.

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PS: The "mentality" is "vanity" which is a driving point in guildwars spending. You can buy max armor in nightfall for cheap, yet people spend hundreds of thousands of gold on the same armor with a different look because "looking better" is important. Besides, thats all there is to spend money on. Better looking loot since its all the same in terms of functionality.

Yet no one can physically see whether the weapons you have are gold or purple unless you specifically trade with them just to show off. The irony here is that part of the market is driven by nothing more than font colour, where an item shares the same skin regardless, whether you choose to think the same way or not.

The one thing we do agree on is that it boils down to player mentality, and in this case, mass player mentality.

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Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same?

This is a good arguement if say you are comparing an oldskool Gold Tyrian Chaos Axe with an inscribable Purple Chaos Axe of the same req (though I have seen and sold some purple Chaos Axes at some hefty prices before). But I find it's not the same with items that are released along the same period, namely NF and EotN items, like Greater Guardian Spears for example.

IronSheik · Jul 10, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

bla

Then what is the debate, question is answered

People pay for rarity, Ele swords were 100k+e at one point when they were RARE, now you have to pay to get rid of one. It does the same job as a collector skin, did people pay 100k for it?, No.

Not whether an item has same use as purple or gold, take the starburst elf's example

/closed

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 10, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

I already understand that golds are less common than purples, that's not the debate here.

Ok, I just wanted to point out that rarity is a factor and one that can't be ignored.

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Yet no one can physically see whether the weapons you have are gold or purple unless you specifically trade with them just to show off. The irony here is that part of the market is driven by nothing more than font colour, where an item shares the same skin regardless, whether you choose to think the same way or not.

The owner of the item can see it whenever he/she looks at it. This is reason enough. Because they "know". Why do people buy brand name when they can buy the same thing at target for cheaper? A tag increased the price, a few letters increase the price. Its an ego thing, otherwise known as vanity.

You now know the reason why golds always cost more than purples and always will. "Vanity" and "Ego".

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

People pay for rarity, Ele swords were 100k+e at one point when they were RARE, now you have to pay to get rid of one. It does the same job as a collector skin, did people pay 100k for it?, No.

This is about golds and purples that share the exact "same" skin, not a gold vs a collectors weapon that doesn't.

The desire to own a specific skin dependant on its colour.

I'm well aware that at the end of the day any old weapon can do the job, I'm well aware there's people out there who will pay upto the eyeballs in ectos for specific weapons.

I'm simply exploring "why?"

Is that is really so hard to comprehend?

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You now know the reason why golds always cost more than purples and always will. "Vanity" and "Ego".

I know why, I'm just trying to explore deeper into it and see individual player thoughts as to why they think in such a set way.

Interesting point to bring up though. Vanity and Ego. If you're the only person who can see said items then where does vanity and ego come into it? I mean if you're busting Obsidian Armour and Chaos Gloves, everyone can see that, but for the most part your weapons are only viewable by other players in explorable, and other than yourself, no one will ever know what colour they are.

HawkofStorms · Jul 11, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Why are natural diamonds so valuable in Real Life? Sure they have industrial reasons and look pretty, but why do people spend so much to put them on rings. Because they are rare. Why don't people just use synthetically created diamonds, which are chemically the exact same thing as natural ones. Why is the price of one so much lower then other?

It has nothing to do with our mentality... that's just how things work.

IronSheik · Jul 11, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Unreal you're saying the same thing over and over, and people are saying the same thing.

Golds are rarer than purple, people want gold for self satisfaction/accomplishment.

Gift3d · Jul 11, 2009, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

I use tons of purple items over gold of the same skin. But pay the same price for either? No way. That is exactly the reason I prefer the purple (or even blue/collector/weaponsmith) ones - they're cheaper.

Why, you ask? It's for the same reason that someone will pay many times more for a real antique versus a replica, even if the replica is made with superior materials and with greater function. There are simply less of them in existence = more rare = command greater value.

yeah, purples are more rare than golds, i've always collected req9 purple versions of nice skins. but people hate them so they're impossible to sell. won't ever change unfortunately~

Unreal Havoc · Jul 11, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Unreal you're saying the same thing over and over, and people are saying the same thing.

Golds are rarer than purple, people want gold for self satisfaction/accomplishment.

But not everyone thinks the same way.

While there's no doubt theres a large majority that do think this way, and the Guild Wars economy most definitely shows this, there are those out there who look at things differently and think "what is the big deal?".

There's several people here already who have admitted to using purple weapons over gold when faced with the choice of the same skin, some even collect purples (unless the above post is sarcasm, it's hard to tell).

Therefore not everyone thinks the same, because to some its being able to resell the item rather than the accomplishment of owning it (though maybe you could put that to accomplishment of getting the cash from seling it).

In any event I'm just trying to have a friendly discussion, so if it's starting to annoy you just ignore it.

HawkofStorms · Jul 11, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Another thing to consider is that why buy purple and then "upgrade" later to gold, if you can just afford to get Gold straight away? Many people don't have to worry about saving money in this game. If somebody is selling a purple for 4k and a gold for 8k, but you have 100000k in ectos... why the heck not just get the gold one.